2008 Waroos

[Unimog Bob]

Just teasing Raul, I'd really like to try the SB3. It has been a while since I've given any Cab kite a fair shot. I guess I've been avoiding it because if they were really a lot better I still don't think I coud pry the money out of my wallet.

Since most riders only ride back and forth and do small jumps, whats the point anyway? Not like they need the pro model. But some beginners seek out the best gear they can find hoping to shorten the learning curve and assume that because the price is higher that it's better gear. Unfortunately price has absolutely nothing to do with the design of the kite. That has to do with labor costs and profit margins. Hype doesn't mean anything either, that has to do with commissions.

I based my kite choice on 3 years of kiting experience moving into a lot of unhooked riding, Scott on 8 years also just moving into a lot of unhooked riding, Billy on 7 or 8 (?) years as a superhero, Crazy Jay on his (8?) years doing crazy kite loops to blind and unhooked riding on small C kites, and most beginners on 2 hours of experience relaunching in 8 knots.

My point is everyone is at a different level and they choose the kite for the level they are riding at and the type of riding they do. A free riding kite is not a freestyle kite.

The kite for Billy may not be the kite for the guy who's only been riding 6 months and isn't unhooking. Maybe he just wants low end grunt instead of a fast looping kite.

Variety is what makes the world interesting. Spend what you want, ride what you want, and as you progress you'll probably find your kite flavors changing.

When someone recommends a kite, ask what type of riding they do and how long they've been riding and it'll help you decide if it's your type of kite.

[BigR]

I'd really like to try the SB3. It has been a while since I've given any Cab kite a fair shot. I guess I've been avoiding it because if they were really a lot better I still don't think I coud pry the money out of my wallet

Yeah, I'd like to try one too, but I can't seem to let go of the XBow III's.

Also, I think this low priced thing vs. high priced thing is a myth. Once you make a fair comparison, i.e. price both size kites with bars with single pump inflation systems, I calculated the cabby's are only $100 maybe $150 more esp. since you can negotiate the price on cabby's but not the others.

Originally Posted by BigR

Once you make a fair comparison, i.e. price both size kites with bars with single pump inflation systems, I calculated the cabby's are only $100 maybe $150 more esp. since you can negotiate the price on cabby's but not the others.

I think you did your math wrong.

08 Waroo quiver (15M, 11M, 9M + bar and lines (who needs 3 bars): $2696.00 + tax
08 SBIII quiver (16M,12M,8M): $4817.00 + tax

5154.00 SB3s after tax
2884.00 WAROOs after tax
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2270.00 less expensive quiver.

[BigR]

Not a fair comparison at all...........


The waroos do not come with bars in your example and they also do not come with one pump system

lets be fair.

'08 Nemi e-z pump 12m + bar/ lines = $1398
'08 Switchblade III 12m + bar/ lines = $1579
difference = $181

you can't compare waroos with no bar/lines or no e-z pump to switchblades complete with bar/ lines.


those prices are straight from manufacturer website.

http://www.neilprydemaui.com/items.php?id=528

http://www.bestkiteboarding.com/08-NemesisHPEZ

whats the big myth?

Originally Posted by BigR

Not a fair comparison at all...........


The waroos do not come with bars in your example and they also do not come with one pump system

No, I included one bar and one set of lines. I do not need THREE bars for a quiver. Also, I don't like Hp's,and I hate one pump it sucks so I'd like to have the option to leave it out.

12M SB3+BAR: 1579
13M WAROO+BAR: 1148
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1579
1148
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$431 cheaper (before taxes) and it's one size bigger. Buy it without the bar and save another $300 for a total of $731.

$731 is a lot of money in my book.

[inferno]

youre not going to win this one raul

[BigR]

LOL!!!!!!


if thats the way you wanna play it then the true calculations are:

$1180 for the SBIII without bar
but since I hate single point inflation system subtract another $250
( since I can use my current bar and have no need for one pump )


price SBIII = $930 w/o bar or single point inflation
price waroo = $731


LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Are we really going to do this, again?

My gripe isn't about the money issue, anyway.
If someone doesn't care or is too lazy to comparison shop, that's their problem and they can part with their money. What do I care?

My gripe is about a local shop guy claiming the Waroos are inferior kites and that he wouldn't ever teach again, if it were on waroos. In addition, statements were made that new riders won't progress as quickly on them as on Cabrinhas. What a load of crap. The statements were heavily bias and way off base. They were made in response to a Best thread... basically hijacked. It was a joke.


I still can't help but suspect that not having a Best account heavily tainted your statements against Best, Steve. If not, only ignorance is to blame.

The Best thread got real ugly and I wish I could learn to control my responses to bias and misinformation better. I am trying. I got pissed and apologize for the "tone" I had. I don't apologize for standing up to bias and misinformation.

To show that it is hardly personal or aimed at WSW, but more aimed toward the ridiculousness of the statements, here is a thread from KF.
I would focus solely on what ToastSyn and myself say.
At the time, Toast worked for EXTREME KITES and is still an EK rider.

Toast posts on page 1 and then page 3 (skip 2). Then I respond. It got heated. I am not proud of it, but it proves it's not about you Steve.
It's not even about me riding the waroo. It's about misinformation and bias.

http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.p...a52247abb27235

[Whitey]

Originally Posted by Tom Stock

I think you did your math wrong.

08 Waroo quiver (15M, 11M, 9M + bar and lines (who needs 3 bars): $2696.00 + tax
08 SBIII quiver (16M,12M,8M): $4817.00 + tax

5154.00 SB3s after tax
2884.00 WAROOs after tax
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2270.00 less expensive quiver.

Why would you waste your time even posting something like that?

If anyone reading this crap walks into their local shop that carries inventory any where in Florida ( in our case WSW) and tells them you want to buy the above mentioned SBIII quiver you will quickly find out what BS this is.

I have purchased my Best Waroo, my Cabrinha 8, 10, 12, 14 SB3's & 17 Contra at WSW along with my Ozone Edge 13, Slingshot B3, 8, 12, & 16 Octains there. I recieved the best of customer service on each of the brands. If the manufacture wouldn't cover it or WSW came up with a fare and accecptable solution every time, even if it was at their expense.

Yes I have some overlap in my quiver. I like kites more than money. Kites turn money into fun for me. That does not make me stupid, after all I'm smart enough to make the money to buy the kites.

I'm not dumb enough to buy into the above post, and only take the time to post this to help out someone new to our sport that is reading this forum to learn something and might take it for true.

I have purchased kites not listed above from several shops in Florida. Met really nice and helpful people in each of the shops from the panhandle to Ft. Lauderdale. Just like I did at WSW.

When we have a race or event here in the Bay area our local shop is the first to step up with prizes, sponsership and resources to help.

Support your local shop so that when you need a part or peice to ride the next day you can walk in, dig through tens of, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of inventory and get it.

Just an OGs opinion. Enjoy the power of the wind.