Setting up a 5th line for a bridled SLE kite?

CrazyJay · #1 09-13-2007, 07:31 AM

Inferno.. I was on a 7m Fuel. Be careful trying anything in over 30 knots. It can really hurt!

Tom, Have you tried using a "V" 5th line bridle? Have Keith make some attachment points on the front about 3 feet apart off center and bring the lines down 6 feet to a v then attach 5th line. This helped with my wipika and kept it from inverting

inferno · #2 09-13-2007, 07:39 AM

im thinking your best bet is to copy the 07 instinct.... about 5ft down the 5th line is another line that connects about half way down the center strut.... this makes inversion not possible... just ask scott

#3 09-13-2007, 07:45 AM

I am still curious about the front line v. the 5th line flagout on a hybrid.
I am honestly clueless about the difference and hoping for input on this.

Actually Danny, the Instinct relies on front line flagout, even though it has a fifth line. It's also has a "span line" or anti-inversion line attached to the fifth line. This span line runs from one wing tip to the other, near the trailing edge.
The fifth line doe split off like you mentioned to form a "tpripod" at the LE, with three points of attachment. This is primarily to allow the 5th line to be used to trim the angle of attack of the kite effectively using the 5th line trimming system. If it didn't split off, it'd probably just fold the LE.
To my knowledge, it's the only kite that uses this trimming system (with 3 points of attachment to avoid the LE from "folding") and also the only one with the the span lines to help to stop inversions.
It makes the kite look very weird and most people look at the kite and then never want to ride it, 'cuz it's different

Ozone riders are notorious for mods, and some did modify 06 kites for 5th line flagout.
Interestingly enough, the first year of the Ozone (06), it had neither front line nor 5th line flag out systems.
Again, not picking on one brand, could pick on them all... this is another example of "shit hits the fan safety" kinda being overlooked until riders spoke up and Ozone is very safety conscious, imo.
Once riders spoke out, a 5th line flag out kit was offered.
I did the front line flag mod on my 06 and Ozone incorporated that mod on their 07s.
I am trying to figure out why they went front line instead of 5th line for flagout.

I haven't been in any thing outrageous on any hybrid or the Instinct (Instinct in my mind is a highly adjustable 5th line C kite with a very simple bridle) yet, hence part of my ignorance as to what would happen in say 50 knots if I flagged the kite out to one of the front lines.

windchaser · #4 12-19-2007, 08:44 PM

Any one can comment on what will be a good SLE with 5th line option? or an SLE that could be modified to use a 5th line?

Daniel

#5 12-20-2007, 07:04 AM

The first one that comes to mind is the Flexifoil Ion2.
Awesome kite. I doubt it's the only one, but it was the first to come to mind.

Erick · #6 12-20-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyJay

Inferno.. I was on a 7m Fuel. Be careful trying anything in over 30 knots. It can really hurt!

Tom, Have you tried using a "V" 5th line bridle? Have Keith make some attachment points on the front about 3 feet apart off center and bring the lines down 6 feet to a v then attach 5th line. This helped with my wipika and kept it from inverting

That is the system the North Rebel 08 has. Is a V fifth line bridle. I flew Cornel's Rebel this past week and really like that kite. I'm also a big fan of 5th lines mainly for safety reasons. I feel safer and from experience that additional line has helped me many times in different situations. I remember once when I was riding at Picnic Island and wind picked up maybe to 25 knots and I was flying my old "Machine". There was no people at the beach, so I self landed the kite just by unhooking and letting go the bar. Like Jayson has said it is a system that save lives.

#7 12-20-2007, 02:47 PM

Cornel let me ride that Rebel. It was very nice.
I really liked the bar, 5th line system, and the ironheart QR system.
It's interesting how some really good kites never get much market penetration/exposure in some areas and a lot in others.
In other words, worldwide that's a very popular kite, but I think Cornel is the only local to have a Rebel. (maybe another person does and I missed seeing it)

Erick · #8 12-20-2007, 04:12 PM

I don't know of another Local that owns a Rebel. I've seen a couple of people that own Vegas. Like Scott mentioned there are kites that seemed to be popular in some places but not in others. Also I haven't seen any Airush here.

inferno · #9 12-20-2007, 04:14 PM

are there any locals with the new rhino's?

Sam · #10 12-20-2007, 04:43 PM

I had last years vegas, great flying kites however would never buy another north because they had bad customer service, took them the better part of 3 months of the kite sitting in norths warehouse to replace a defective 2 pump bladder system that had failed on me 2 times about a month apart. sold them both and got cabrinha. All kites are great but its really the customer service that sells kites.