[ricki]

Sorry! Didn't mean to imply the second was on a foil. Just put a bold insert in to make it clearer.

I think you might be missing the point of the original post however. How many foil loftings do you know about? There is that amazing uplift lofting Malek had in the mountains in Morocco and a few others over the years. I think it is readily possible to be lofted on them as the clip obviously backs up. Still, don't you think it is curious that they seem to be somewhat rare on the water? Lower useage is a factor of course but to what degree?