Thanks for the reply Ricki! Me not having in the way of water experience but I do have a few kites, lOl. I have a LF 6m , Wipika 9m (Old Gear training kite low aspect w-battens), Waroo 13m, Waroo 16m and for them super lows a LF M80 20m which I got kite complete from Real for $199, lOl. If I need anything else I will hit Graham up! Polo..