wow. this is what all our threads need to be like. People with different opinions who are being respectful to the other team. We'd get a hell of a lot more done. I do not agree that the environmental movement is focused on limiting human property and development. Working in environmental education, I have been lucky to work with some great scientists and researchers who are "environmentalists". My personal "environmentalist" attitude is to simply stop screwing the earth up so much that it no long functions as a proper ecosystem. Its all a ripple effect. Global warming = sea temperatures rising. Coral reefs have a very small window of tolerance for sea temperature. It goes up or down too high and the coral bleaches and there's no food or shelter for the fish and thus no food for the sharks and then they'll start eating the kiteboarders.
Remember when you ask for "information and facts" that 90% of statistics can be skewed to produce the wanted results.