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TampaBay Noob 10-24-2006 04:53 PM

Setting up kite leash on liquid force control bar
 
Hey guys I'm having a bit of a problem setting up the kite leash on my control bar. I know how to hook up all the lines and everything...and understand how the trim strap and safety system works, but can't figure out how to attach the kite leash. On one end of the kite leash is a loop and on the other end of the kite leash is just a line coming out. I looked up online as much as I could about this control bar and it seems like the leash is supposed to connect to the chicken loop. The chicken loop has a velcro strap for completely detaching your loop from the kite. I can't figure out how to attach the kite leash. Maybe a larks head onto the chicken loop but what do I do with the line just coming out of the other side. I don't want to make some cheap knot and use a stopper to attach to the rear line. Any help would be appreciated. Let me know if I confused the hell out of you..lol fuc$in noobs.....

bryanleighty 10-25-2006 08:01 AM

not sure man.. typically a leash has a connector or clasp at each end. i had an old BEST leash that had a loop at one end and that connected to the ring on one of hte center lines.. the other end was a wrist strap tho..

bryanleighty 10-25-2006 08:02 AM

advice::

spend the 30$ and get yourself a good leash. one with a QR built in. dont skimp on something like this.

TampaBay Noob 10-25-2006 10:19 AM

think I could find one up at watersports west??

bryanleighty 10-25-2006 10:51 AM

call them..

if they dont have one with a QR .. got to oceanextreme.com and order one.. it will be at your door tomorrow..

toby wilson 10-25-2006 12:58 PM

GREAT advice Bryan!!! :D

tomstock 10-25-2006 01:10 PM

Re: Setting up kite leash on liquid force control bar
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaBay Noob
Hey guys I'm having a bit of a problem setting up the kite leash on my control bar. I know how to hook up all the lines and everything...and understand how the trim strap and safety system works, but can't figure out how to attach the kite leash. On one end of the kite leash is a loop and on the other end of the kite leash is just a line coming out. I looked up online as much as I could about this control bar and it seems like the leash is supposed to connect to the chicken loop. The chicken loop has a velcro strap for completely detaching your loop from the kite. I can't figure out how to attach the kite leash. Maybe a larks head onto the chicken loop but what do I do with the line just coming out of the other side. I don't want to make some cheap knot and use a stopper to attach to the rear line. Any help would be appreciated. Let me know if I confused the hell out of you..lol fuc$in noobs.....

You never mentioned which model bar or kite.

Is it this one?
http://www.kitesurfari.com/kite-liqu...trum2-bar.html

TampaBay Noob 10-25-2006 01:56 PM

Sorry about that.....Yeah tom it's the spectrum II. Same one in the picture. I understand how the kite leash attaches to the chicken loop....but I can't see from the picture how to go about attaching it to the rear line. I just came back from watersports west..they're all out of clip leashes. Funny thing is...john called up liquid force and spoke to one of the guys over there...and he said to just connect the leash from the CL to your harness.....Go Figure. My liquid force bar has a control line (left side) with a ring attached to the end of it if that helps at all.

tomstock 10-25-2006 03:27 PM

So noone at WW knew how to hook up the leash? Probably because they only sell one or two brands.

Ok, so the leash connects to the rear line. One end goes to the chicken loop and the other connects to a rear line which SHOULD be coming through a ring on the leader lines from the bar. That line connects to a second ring, which is where the leash attaches.

----line---O---0=====leash====()

The line passed through a ring on the bar, and then is connected to another ring. That ring acts as a stopper to keep the line from slipping through the 1st ring. The leash attaches to that ring.

In this scenario the chicken loop is the leash... when you pull the quick release the chicken loop stays on the hook, with leash attached to it.

Now, here's the problem. If you unhook, your leash is disconnected from you.

I strongly advise against using that setup, it's a bad design.

Get a leash with two clips and attach one to the line ring (which is going through another ring), and the other end to your harness.

I also recommend moving the ring which the line goes through to a front line... so if you accidentally pull on the leash, the kite does not turn or loop on you...

An even better and safer setup is to add a 5th line and use that as the safety instead.

TampaBay Noob 10-25-2006 03:36 PM

I took some pictures and I'm trying to figure out how to post them up so you guys can clearly see what I'm attempting to explain.

Tom...I understand what you're saying. If that's the case I have to get another steel ring for the rear line and a clip leash. There's only one ring now...and it's at the end of the leader. I have to rig up some new flexifoil lines and don't have a second ring.

toby wilson 10-25-2006 06:04 PM

If WSW doesn't have leashes, order one from Scott Fears at Extreme Kites and you'll have it the day after you order it. The phone # there is 904-461-9415 This leash setup sounds like bad news and is just an accident waiting to happen. If you won't, meet up with me sometime and I will GIVE you a leash just so you don't endanger the rest of us with that crazy contraption.

TampaBay Noob 10-25-2006 08:21 PM

Toby...not trying to endanger ANYONE bro. That's why I'm on this forum asking you guys. As usual...I'll take everyone's advise.

I'll thread the rear line through the ring on the leader and attach a second ring to the end of the flying line. These two rings will lock together and I will clip one end of my leash to the second ring and the other side to my harness. Sound safer?

toby wilson 10-25-2006 11:08 PM

And I can appreciate that you aren't trying to endanger anyone but if that thing only works when you are hooked in, I am telling you that if you can't find a good one, I have one for you to keep our launches safe. The sad truth is, if I said you can't ride because this is our launch and your leash is unacceptable, you would tell me to kiss off and go ride anyway, right? So I am offering you one of my extra leashes instead if you can't find another which it appears you can't, that's all... :D

I drive a blue KIA suv and am out mostly at night on the weekdays. I am always out if it is blowing on the weekends...I'm also 6'6" tall so I am hard to miss. Just approach me and ask about the leash and its yours. :wink:

tomstock 10-26-2006 08:26 PM

Noob, what you described sounds fine.

Make sure the leash is long enough that it will not pull on that line when the kite is unhooked and your arms fully extended. The leash should stretch, but not actually pull on the line causing the kite to turn.
l8r
-tom

bryanleighty 10-27-2006 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toby wilson
that thing only works when you are hooked in,

toby.. he is talking about running from kiteline to his harness.. this will work fine.

my advice on this tho is to get a leash that has clips on both ends.. i kited with a leash like the one you have for about 6 months.. while it is fine to ride with.. if you get a twist or tangle it is a PAIN to adjust on the fly... with a clip lock leash you can quickly unclip and reclip if the leash gets tangled or something.

plus.. never a bad idea to have a spare.

:)

toby wilson 10-27-2006 11:37 AM

Ok, my bad. Offer still stands. :D

TampaBay Noob 10-30-2006 11:00 AM

Thanks for the offer toby but I took care of it. I went to a westmarine and purchased a solid ring and some clips. Works great now. Thanks for the advise guys.

toby wilson 10-30-2006 11:29 AM

Good deal! 8)


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