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RickI 06-30-2006 04:39 PM

SURF ... a new way
 
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Blane Haleiwa
From: http://www.standuppaddles.com/

Stand-up paddle surfing, "Beach-Boy" Style surfing, "BB surfing," paddle surfing, standup surfing or Hui O He'e Nalu, it goes by many names but what is it? I recently put that question to John Bendon of Maui, HI. John is the son of Jim Bendon, the man who introduced me to kitesurfing in the summer of 1998 in the BVI. Standup surfing can provide a viable challenging option to kiteboarding when there is no wind OR too much!

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Jim Bendon kiting off Sprecksville, Maui in 1999.

For smaller images click here

John grew up on Maui surfing, windsurfing, kitesurfing, tow-in surfing and other ocean activities off Maui and Oahu. These pursuits produce well rounded watermen for which the islands are known. These days he crafts incredible vacations for visitors to the islands through Vacations in Maui. Pa'ani Point is a intriguing property that he books with direct uncrowded kite access well to the east of Kanaha (Kite Beach), near Paia. Advanced kiters that are guests can legally ride in a narrow corridor and in close proximity to the airport making this spot fairly unique.

http://www.vacationsinmaui.com/images/paani7.jpg
Pa'ani Point, just add wind and rip loose into all that clear ocean without a ton of kiters!
From: http://www.vacationsinmaui.com/

He is fairly new to standup paddle surfing however and provides some good insight into this style of surfing.

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John Bendon

Stand-up surfing has really been taking off in Hawaii again. Laird Hamilton and Dave Kalama were among the first recent riders to get into standup surfing in a big way. Laird recently paddled across the English Channel to France and biked the rest of the way between London and Paris as a part of a charitable effort to benefit autistic children. You can still donate to this singular effort to heal autism here. Additional information here.


It is not easy to readily track the origins of standup surfing other than to conclude that they are OLD. Some particularly long paddles have been found in archaeological digs on Oahu. Also, John pointed out lacking fins on the early Hawaiian boards the paddle might have come in handy. Duke Paoa Kahanamoku and other beachboys in the last century performed standup paddle surfing off Waikiki apparently to help in photographing tourists.

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John Z riding in 1962
From: http://www.standuppaddles.com/

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Here is John Zabotocky, forty-four years later with a longer paddle but still paddling in. Amazing! More HERE. Be sure to checkout the video of John Z. at the bottom of the page, it is inspirational to say the least and he shows how it is done. 56 years of stand-up surfing in motion.

John says it is a fun way to head out in smaller (or larger) waves as it is more challenging than regular longboarding. He started fairly recently and hasn't been out in "large waves" yet, by local definition. He was saying nothing more than 4 ft. overhead or roughly 10 ft. swells. Lots of guys like to paddle long downwinders in windswells, This might be of particular appeal to Florida guys in our frequently calm summer conditions. These boards feel like longboards however they react a bit slower and there are all the dynamics involving the paddle. Things like carving, pivoting turns and related footwork. If you're on a small wave and it's about to give up the ghost just start paddling to try to renew your ride. The added visibility is like being in a "fish tower" allowing spotting incoming sets easier. I asked John about the challenges of the sport. In flat water is can be as simple as developing balance while paddling. In waves, knowing how to use the board to punch through surf, to avoid heading downwind with all that board and body surface. This has yet to develop as a high wind sport and perhaps never will except for downwind runs. It's pretty much impossible to do it in wind unless you're going downwind. Too much surface area moving you down wind and paddling upwind typically is not on.

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Todd Makaha
From: From: http://www.standuppaddles.com/

If the incoming wave is small enough, say waist high or lower you can punch through by paddling hard. If the wave is much higher and will breaking on you, you can pivot the board quickly and ride in or jump in and use the leash to anchor the board through the wave. The footwork with a standup rig is similar to that used on a long board but a bit more exaggerated. It is an excellent, full body workout with the constant balancing and paddling. Stand-up paddle surfing can really condition the rider's core. New riders might do well to seek calm water and shorter duration sessions for starters at they develop balance and skills.

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Archie Kalepa crossing the Molokai Channel
From: http://www.standuppaddles.com/

You can catch waves a bit earlier and more often when standup paddle surfing than in the conventional way. This can even bum normal surfers out at a crowded lineup. Spots that were usually "ruled" by longboarders such as Kanaha are now feeling a bit of competition from the standup guys. Folks may recall that shortboarders can grumble about longboarders grabbing the waves and now the long boarders have some competition. This may not be a good thing. There could be some problems with guys doing the standup surfing at crowded spots. Some fights have been reported at Hookipa because of it. If it gets to a point where there's lots of guys doing it at the more popular spots then there's going to be problems for sure.

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Todd Makaha again
From: http://www.standuppaddles.com/

So, what does all this have to do with kitesurfing? I asked Paul Menta of TheKitehouse.com about this. Paul said there are strong parallels in board handling particularly if someone is thinking of kiting with a surfboard. Also, it is great cross-training for kiting and a solid workout. Paul also wants to try it out for tandem kitesurfing and even spearfishing. He is introducing standup paddle boarding into his operations at TheKitehouse. Paul tells me that a lot of kiters are taking on this style of surfing.

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The guys grab some surf time with TheKitehouse in the Turks & Caicos
From: http://www.thekitehouse.com/

If you look around online quite a few other big names have been seen paddling in standing up, folks like Gerry Lopez, Buzzy Kerbox, Brian Keaulana, Loch Eggers, Sean Ordonez, Kelly Slater, Robert "Wingnut" Weaver, Todd Bradley perhaps even Kenny G and Adam Sandler in addition many other watermen, and women.

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Laird paddling in.
From: http://memetician.livejournal.com/121911.html

John pursues stand up surfing as it is a way from him to get into the water on days when it isn't very good for other things. For example if it is way to windy/gusty for kiteboarding as can happen in summer on Maui, he plans to do some downwinders. You can just glide the chop for a long time.

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A beer ad inspired by a recent competition in Hawaii
From: http://www.standuppaddles.com/

Standup surfing puts the challenge back into tackling smaller waves more suited for longboards that he would pass on as a rule. You get a good workout and keep paddling to extend the ride when the wave backs off at points that would strand you on a longboard. He would use stand-up surfing to cross train for tow-in surfing, which can be a great deal more demanding.

There is a video clip of standup paddle surfing with some footage of Dave Kalama riding a few: http://www.standuppaddles.com/MOVIES.html

Women may have an edge over guys in standup surfing in that they may approach things more with finesse than strength. This seems to be the case in kiteboarding at times.

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Andrea Moller of the AMAZONE SURF TEAM has a go and it is a workout!
From: http://homepage.mac.com/andeamoller/PhotoAlbum11.html

I asked John to describe his most memorable standup session to date. It was his second go at stand-up surfing. He had paddled out to the outer reef about 1/4 mile off Sprecks on a glassy wave day with two friends. The waves were about 4 ft. overhead with no one else out. It was great to work on the dynamics of balance and paddling in such fine conditions complete with turtles surfacing all over the place. Recently he told me about another great session involving perfect head high waves at Sprecks. No one was out with offshore winds with little barrels everywhere. Kiters and surfers like getting "tubed" John tells me standup guys love it too. He got barreled quite a few times that day.

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A sequence of images showing a cold water standup ride
From: http://surfingsports.com/

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More of the same rider. It even shows turns back into and riding through breaking waves.
http://surfingsports.com/Big_Red_Cal...dup/index.html

I asked John what to do for gear if you don't live in Hawaii where this stuff is located in many shops. He said there is a fair amount online particularly through some of the shapers in the islands. He mentioned HiTech Surf Sports ( http://www.htmaui.com/ ) in Kahului, Maui as a good source of gear.

I spoke to Tom Cherry at HiTech Surf Sports in Kahalui, Maui about gear for stand-up paddle surfing. He said men typically ride boards around 12 ft. long while women go for 11 ft. boards. Some paddles are entirely of carbon while others may have an aluminum shaft and carbon paddle blade. Paddle length is determined by rider height and preference being about 1 to 2 ft. taller then the surfer. There is a trend to go longer to improve the reach of the paddle. Paddles go for about $290. to $315.+.

More about paddles at:

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http://www.standuppaddles.com/

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http://www.kialoa.com/

http://www.quickbladepaddles.com/img...tandupsurf.jpg
http://www.quickbladepaddles.com/

Stand-up surfboards range from custom to production epoxy to production soft top construction. Custom boards price out around $1600. to $2000.+ with production epoxy boards at around $1000. to $1200.+ and soft top boards at around $695.. The epoxy boards around 12 ft. and up that have been shaped for standup surfing may have more stability and displacement than the soft tops for heavier riders. There are a variety of shapers fabricating boards these days such as Sean Ordonez, Jimmy Lewis, Mickey Minoz and others. Some guys are even using old long windsurfing boards with square tails or 16 ft. paddleboards. You can sacrifice some performance with the windsurfers and paddleboards in the waves and turns by virtue of weight and board shape.

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The SOS Boards Big Red. The softop board measures 12' x 26 1/4" x 4 1/4." Big Red measures 11'11" x 29 1/2" x 4."
From: http://www.surftech.com/softops.php , http://www.sosshapes.com/2006/boards...dle_movie.html

A lot of photos of Sean Ordonez, a well known shaper riding his Big Red board off Hookipa follow (Click the photo below).
http://www.surfingsports.com/sean_or...z_hookipa1.jpg
and at:
http://www.surfingsports.com/sean_or..._hookipa2.html
http://www.sosshapes.com/

Additional information on standup paddle surfing can be found at:

http://www.beachboysurf.com/
http://www.mauitime.com/story.aspx?story_id=422
http://www.exocet-original.com/forum/read.asp?ID=1657
http://www.gatago.com/rec/windsurfing/2904659.html
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/arc...es/01sport.htm

And while we're still out in Maui, a look at tow-in surfing ...

John started tow-in surfing about three years ago but has put in about one and a half seasons. He left the islands for a couple of years and had to set it aside until about a year ago. The tow-in season runs from about October through March. He described the course required to obtain the ski decal required by the State to tow-in. I asked him what sort of physical and mental demands tow-in surfing places on the rider? He said you want to be in shape and be able to take a beating and be confident in your swimming. He also strongly felt that you should be capable of paddling into "huge" surf before starting tow-in surfing. There seems to be a lot of guys towing into big surf that they might have trouble handling if they tried to paddle into them. That is paddle by hand, not while standing up.


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John tows into a big one. These big wave shots were captured from video hence the fuzzy aspect. Still, the size comes through!

In some ways tow-in surfing, can be "easier" than paddling into surf, as long as things don't go wrong (sounds like like kiteboarding). You get into the wave sooner and may have less of a drop than when you paddle in. You are more manuverable with a small board going fast than in a larger board suitable for paddling into big waves. John feels that if you want to tow into 20 ft. "Hawaiian style" waves (waves for 40 ft. faces) you should be able to paddle into these same waves. I understood prior to this time that guys just couldn't paddle at a high enough speed to catch these big waves. John corrected me in stating that applies but to REALLY big waves, 25 to 30 ft."Hawaiian Style" waves (50 to 60 ft. plus wave faces!). He feels that waves of that size aren't readily manageable by paddling into waves. John indicated that "the drop is still the same, it’s just easier because you don’t have to paddle and then stand up in the critical section. Aside from wave height, the spot also has a lot to do with the necessity for towing in. Spots where the peak is shifty or waves that are super critical and heavy (like big days in Tahiti at Teahupoo) also require towing in. Jaws has so much wind and is such a gnarly peak that it’s much more suited for tow surfing than paddle surfing."

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John is into an even larger wave, looking good

I asked him what sort of board he would use for paddling into 40 ft. face waves. He said it would be a "big wave gun" or a 9 to 12 ft. long narrow pintail board specifically designed for big waves. The pointy tail is intended to help the board grip the wave better through a longer rail section during turning. I asked him what the largest wave he has towed into at this point. He said there was a session at Jaws with 30 ft. wave faces. I asked him just how shallow the water is in these tow-in spots. He said that unlike say Pipeline where bottom impact is a serious concern, "hold down" is more of an issue in wiping out in the big tow-in surf. I asked him what his most memorable "hold down" experience has been to date. He said it was probably while surfing at Waimea. He saw a set coming on the horizon, it seemed to turn black. He was sitting deep, about 20 ft. inside the pack as it was super crowded that day. There was a peak barreling in and he concluded he was going to get smashed by this big set. He took off on one of the first waves in an effort to get in pretty far to avoid getting "destroyed." Unfortunately, it sectioned off and closed out. He surfaced after the wipeout for his first breath and saw the next wave with a 30 ft. face looming over him. It broke about 10 ft. in front of him, bounced him off the bottom a couple of times. He surfaced again and was fine.

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Hey John, watch out for that left turn. Looking real good.

I asked him if he wears any safety gear when towing in? He said he wears a PFD and a helmet for sure. The most dangerous part of towing in may be all the ski's ripping around. It would be bad to surface from a wipeout and was slam into you. Checking around for some background on Jaws, it has been reported that up to 30 skies might be towing in there at one time. Given the limited area, shoreline shape and wave characteristics you might conclude 15 to 20 skies could create crowded conditions there.

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30 ski's, guys in and under the water and monster waves?
From: http://www.hear.org/

So, that's some insight into the new, old sport of standup paddle surfing with a quick look at tow-in surfing. Thanks John for all the info and experiences, have fun and ride on ...

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John about to plunge down the face.

Aloha and Mahalo



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RickI 07-01-2006 10:19 PM

It would be great to get some input from guys that are doing standup currently. I understand that boards are being sent out all over, to the Great Lakes, the east coast, overseas. So how about it guys, what do you like about it and what are you working on?

biggins 07-02-2006 07:22 PM

How hard would it be to just use the 10ft longboard I have now??? wonder if the balance would be too hard?

This would definately make crappy days more fun and more time on the waves probably as well!

VERY nice thanks,,,,and help appreciated with board advice...would like to just use what I have.

j

RickI 07-02-2006 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggins
How hard would it be to just use the 10ft longboard I have now??? wonder if the balance would be too hard?

This would definately make crappy days more fun and more time on the waves probably as well!

VERY nice thanks,,,,and help appreciated with board advice...would like to just use what I have.

j

I hear you. I have a long windsurfer, 325 cm and a 9'2" tanker I would like to use for it. Unfortunately, from what I have been told from the shapers and riders out in Hawaii, neither my 9 ft. or your 10 ft. board would be good for standup. The thickness/displacement of the board comes into it as well as the width for stability. You want to be able to stand motionless without too much trouble. Add waves and you still want some stability while not moving forward. Maybe look around for an old long windsurfing board, something around 12 or 13 ft. It won't measure up with the purpose built boards particularly in the waves but it can get you going on the flat and in lighter waves. Even lighter women seem to start with 11 ft., beamy standup boards.

biggins 07-03-2006 12:57 AM

Yeah, that's what I figured. :( unfortunately since I live in Japan shipping of a nice new 12+board isn't really feasible.

This is a great looking sport for the guy who has to travel far to the beach only to arrive to zero or too much wind! Even a one footer could be fun I think with one of these...or just flat water exercise. This is exactly what I've been looking for but such a shame to not be able to get a board over here.

I'll figure something out...they probably have some old longboard around here somewhere.

thnx

RickI 07-05-2006 12:19 PM

This was posted from an ironical perspective on kiteforum. Prior to that time I was unfamilar with the fishermen of Chicama, Peru. It looks like another link in the history of standup paddle surfing has just come along.

Quote:

Originally Posted by selah
Laird Hamilton a surf god? A 16’ Jimmy Lewis custom? Have y’all lost your minds? Next thing you know he’ll be riding one of those wicker baskets used by fishermen at Chicama… Oxbow will shoot the helicopter footage, American Express will run the ad, Dana Brown will reveal basket-surfing’s inner soul to a worldwide audience, just in time for Billabong’s first WCT 5-Star “Basket Brawl” at Linda Mar, CA. But it’s only the beginning, dudes… next it’s big-wave basket-riding, tow-in basketry, localism and the dark side of basket-riding. Tattooed thugs, black shorts, the North Shore Basketweavers.

Where will it end?

Doing a bit of digging on the fishmen and their boards, caballitos de totora or "little reed horses" I came across the following photo:

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album183/...Reed_Horse.jpg

This image was found in an excellent examination of history of the surfing fishermen of Chicama at:
http://www.waterwaystravel.com/pdf/LINESINTHEDUST.pdf


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http://truxillodailyphoto.blogspot.c...totora_29.html



A history of Caballitos de Totora in Spanish



Even Red Bull is getting into the act and shows us how to make a little reed horse. Three surfers girls go to it with their boards of grass.


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A view of the reed craft and aft storage area appears above.
From: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/3aedd/

This practice of surfing has been estimated to have started well before the time of Christ. The craft are usually operated seated but it appears that they are surfed in standing up as well. The appearance of surfing in the islands of the Pacific is examined in "Legendary Surfers", a good read by the way. ( http://www.legendarysurfers.com/ )

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The beach
From: www.photolib.noaa.gov/fish/fish2212.htm

Wonder if high strength fiber composites are giving bamboo paddles any heat?

So, did standup paddle surfing originate in Peru? Maybe or perhaps even before then in another place. It seems to be coming back though ...


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RickI 07-12-2006 04:52 PM

I received images of some of Jimmy Lewis' standup paddle surfboards ( http://jimmylewis.com/ ), that I wanted to pass along. He is currently working on a production line of standup boards in addition to the custom boards shown below and in the original article above.

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Jimmy's son, Marlon posing with one of the family standup paddle surfboards.

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The Jimmy Lewis production standup boards are 11'7" long X 26.5" wide and 4 3/4" thick. They are EPS (styrofoam) core with PVC sandwich construction and very light for the size and volume. Jimmy created the production standup board for someone who can already surf and wants a standup board that they can actually surf waves on well. Of course it can be used to just paddle around too. The retail price would be between $1000-$1100. So, it is a bit narrower and sporty than some of the boards out there working a compromise between glide characteristics and performance in the waves.

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Randal Morikawa, a friend of Jimmy Lewis posing with another custom standup board. I understand that Randal although new to standup paddle surfing is moving out strongly already, these Hawaiian watermen.

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Jimmy tells me that Maria and Andrea, the Brazilian Amazones are entering the Molokai Ocean Challenge with new Jimmy Lewis custom standup boards. I am debating kiting in the challenge, the scenery looks incredible.

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The Challenge
From: http://www.molokaichallenge.com/

Jimmy also sent along some great shots of a special custom standup board he made for Laird Hamilton. Laird has been putting in some distance standup paddle surfing, across the English Channel, to Catalina, etc.. This is not intended as a wave board but is designed for covering miles, a LOT of miles across the water with an exceptional glide.

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At 16 ft. this ain't your sister's shortboard!

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Excellent workmanship

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This thing is even self-bailing!

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album183/b.sized.jpg

I commented to Jimmy that this board looks like a (big) work of art. It would be a good candidate for the Smithsonian Transportation Museum.

That is a look at some more boards, hopefully more info is to come. Stay tuned and let us know how you are doing out there with standup paddle surfing.

admin 02-08-2007 10:11 AM

A Super Kona wind has been blasting through the islands. The watermen have been hitting it along with Laird Hamilton on a standup paddle surfboard out in the big stuff. Chaby* uploaded some interesting shots that are passed along below.

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Hookipa, Maui, HI going off


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A good thing about standup is how easy it is to handle large inbound surf, don't believe it!

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Sliding into one

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Riding a smaller wave with company

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The wind at Kehei, Maui, HI on January 29, 2007. They had several days of similar winds.

* Originally uploaded at:
http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2335907

admin 02-08-2007 09:51 PM

Just got an update from Paul Menta down in Key West, FL. They may not have triple head high and larger surf to play with all that often (ever outside of hurricanes?) but they have no end of calm water with gentle swells. Great for learning standup paddle surfing in other words.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album80/S_Fla.sized.jpg
Hundreds of square miles of warm, shallow water to paddle surf through. There are even smaller swells at times to ride. More about the Flats HERE


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How it's done


here are some key west shots....

training is the best on these reef waves and others in key west makes surf possible here

turks is sick for it in big waves way out there...2 mile paddle!

if there are waves on the outside , you can get to them this way...

south swell in hawaii was fun all summer, this sport can be done by anyone!

Aloha
Paul Menta

www.thekitehouse.com



http://www.fksa.org/albums/album80/air_2.jpg
No end of cruising ground throughout the Keys


http://www.fksa.org/albums/album236/IMG_5289_Small.jpg
SLIDESHOW, click photo, then hit slideshow in the upper right of the page and watch Paul have at it



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Heading out


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The Kite House 02-09-2007 01:45 PM

just some things to ponder.

No wind sucks!

i can paddle and train to stay in shape on these boards.

I wish i could live in maui or Oahu, i vist alot but i cant move.

So key west and turks and cacios for me......waves in key west...yes, but way out or harder to get to, so i can on the stand up board. Turks the breaks are 2 miles out, so i paddle out, do a session and then do down winders. Key west, the paddle helps me catch the wave eaiser..

Stand up late in the day on a reef.....bull sharks bumping the boards like crazy...there goes that mith

i paddle around the islands, take a small pole spear and stop to spear fish or get a lobster, all while enjoying the water. When i am done i put the 12 foot board on my head and walk home 7 blocks.

we never had the option to surf here before.....even in miami

point is to get on the water and love it, when i go to stand up , the guys are surfing the inside, i go to the outside and have it to my self

when i am in maui i surf, then i go to the other spots where i can stand up where no one is really there.

Good fun, great exercise and beats doing nothing with no wind.

I have the sean o big red 12' and a 10'7 custom

lairds are great, but to big, ment for long distance...we will try a cuba run in the summer.


Aloha PAul

admin 02-11-2007 11:58 AM

Are others folks trying this in Florida? If so, where and how is it going?

The Kite House 02-21-2007 07:26 PM

more paddle!!!
 
just had a sick session on monday. I paddled out to an island that i go to with a right that wraps, mostly waist and chest high sets...real nice....for the keys it unreal. I could see further on the outside there was maybe a sand bar, with huge waves breaking. Was a bit far, but then i thought this is why i have the paddle and bought this board.....needless to say i paddled out another 3/4 mile to the next sections, and it was over head and just bombing, i got some epic rides and huge drops on a 12 ft board. I hope to get some photos from a couple of guys that went by to go fishing that were freaking out that i was out there.

Another epic sesion with more to come, this really makes surf possible for me, love it.

aloha paul

p.s. i have a strobe and a flare inside the tube of my paddle........

RickI 02-22-2007 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Kite House (Post 16503)
just had a sick session on monday. I paddled out to an island that i go to with a right that wraps, mostly waist and chest high sets...real nice....for the keys it unreal. I could see further on the outside there was maybe a sand bar, with huge waves breaking. Was a bit far, but then i thought this is why i have the paddle and bought this board.....needless to say i paddled out another 3/4 mile to the next sections, and it was over head and just bombing, i got some epic rides and huge drops on a 12 ft board. I hope to get some photos from a couple of guys that went by to go fishing that were freaking out that i was out there.

Another epic sesion with more to come, this really makes surf possible for me, love it.

aloha paul

p.s. i have a strobe and a flare inside the tube of my paddle........


Great story, thanks for passing it along! That is something I've always enjoyed, riding point to point over distances be it by windsurfing way back, kites today and perhaps even standup sometime soon. This was around Sand Key?

How is your board handling with approaching waves coming and kick turns? I guess you do these sessions with zip adverse wind, correct? If too much wind blows up out of the wrong direction, worse case you lie on the board and paddle and paddle in the old fashioned way?

Smart to carry the signaling aid, keeps it out of the way in the paddle. I would probably stash mine in the waist pouch I have used for some of the other distance kiting events.

admin 03-09-2007 11:49 PM

Just came across some video clips of standup paddle surfing in a variety of conditions. Some of the techniques come across at:

20 ft waves, 30 mph wind (last month in Strong Kona winds)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6eUfT8r1P...elated&search=

Brada Mel - Standup Paddle Surfing at Makaha
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NE-GlaXZmVc

Buffalo Big Board Classic 2007 IMPROVED!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jsUVSyr6I...elated&search=

RushMarkRush 04-07-2007 05:33 PM

big boards
 
Paul
I got a nice two piece carbon paddle and have been looking for a board big enough. I have an old Mistral Superlight hanging from my deck in perfect condition....daggerboard and all. Do you think this board might work?
Congrats on the speed thing....after watching you on the flats I know how dangerous it can be going that fast.....the water turns to concrete after 50?
I have no doubt you won't quit until you are the fastest on the water.

kiwiar2000 04-07-2007 09:01 PM

There were some who were paddling out in Crandon Beach today at the KITE 4 GIRLS competition. I think thats the best thing besides kitesurfing.
-Danny

Polaris 04-09-2007 06:34 PM

Does anybody know where to try this out or rent equipment?

BigR 04-09-2007 07:04 PM

look for a surfboard and strong paddle combination.

Preferably a carbon paddle

RickI 04-09-2007 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polaris (Post 18002)
Does anybody know where to try this out or rent equipment?

The Kitehouse in Key West has them, I am not sure if their Miami operation has standup paddle surf gear available or not. In time, I suspect more outfits will have them for rent.

Size of the board is critical. I tried out one at K4G's. It was 12' x 4.5" but only 24 "wide. You could see the difference it made vs. body weight (190 lbs. in my case). At one point there were three pre-teen kids just paddling along, stable and gliding well. Lighter guys and women did well too. Heavier guys had less glide per stoke and had to focus more on balance. So for calm water cruising, heavier guys will want a larger standup board for improved glide and balance (say approaching 29 inches in width). In waves, you might want something a bit smaller like was in use at Crandon though. Glide may become less important when surfing waves than manuverability. Lots of photos to come soon.

RickI 04-10-2007 11:36 PM

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/81_G.jpg
Juan and Morgan from The Kiteshop located on Key Biscayne had a booth at Kite4Girls '07 AND brought along some nifty standup surfboards and paddles for folks to demo. Juan and Morgan are shown moving back to shore above.

There were 12' x 4.5" x 26" Mickey Munoz standup surfboards with Pohaku carbon fiber paddles. If you don't weigh all that much and are looking to cruise in the flat water, they work out well. Even if you weight a bit, the smaller boards will give you a workout which is why lots of folks like standup.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/84_G.sized.jpg
TWO kids and the board is still riding high and is quite stable. I saw them try to stack up four on this board.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/87_G.sized.jpg
If you weigh a bit more, note the submerged tail, you might want something with a bit more displacement (larger). The guy could stand more forward to bring the tail up a bit however. The stability and glide of the board are also reduced. Of course if you are paddling into waves to surf, the importance of weight vs. board size diminishes somewhat.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/83_G.jpg
Andrea rides for Viking Surfboards. She hopes that the folks at Viking will whip up a nice standup board for her to promote. Sounds like a good idea to me. Stand straighter Andrea, stooping like that may do a number on your back.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/80_G.sized.jpg

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/86_G.sized.jpg

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/82_G.sized.jpg
Another light fellow, look how high the board is riding. Also note his foot stance, heavier guys would either have to have well developed balance or have their feet parallel at about should width apart for stability.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/85_G.sized.jpg
Todd with Adventure Sports has a go. Note how far down the tail of the board is however Todd is back a ways. Todd brings a lot of board skill to the water and copes well despite the lower displacement. As a rule for calm water cruising larger boards that can build momentum and glide are desirable. For actual surfing something a bit smaller and maneuverable is more the ticket.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/88_G.jpg

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album260/89_G.sized.jpg

Morgan and Juan were telling me that they do some nice standup trips around Key Biscayne up to Miami Beach, around the island up to Virginia Key, all over. They mentioned it would be good to add a bump pad near the back of the board to assist in kick turns particularly while wave riding.

http://www.boardzo.com/files/thumbnails/t_16448.jpg

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album129/...ille_Miami.jpg
No end of paddling areas around Northern Biscayne Bay. You can ride wind swells or even hit some waves off the fringing reef to seaward about 900 ft. off Key Biscayne. I suspect this is going to take off in the area sometime soon.


BTW, found an interesting article on standup at:
http://www.surfermag.com/features/on...n/index11.html

TritonKiteboarding 04-11-2007 12:58 AM

Two New Boards
 
Just got two new stand up boards donated to the eckerd college kite club, we will be hosting rolling demos with them and they will be located at our new Pass-A-Grille headquarters, they will be available within two weeks, if interested in checking them out contact Matt Sexton at 203 918 6637 or tritonkiteboarding@yahoo.com

Triton Kiteboarding is a new kite school/club/team located in st. petersburg fl.

tritonkiteboarding.com

RickI 04-11-2007 09:00 AM

Hey Rush,

Pending Paul getting back to you on this, quite a few guys got into standup using old windsurfing longboards. They may not be all that spritely in surf but for cruising as long as you have enough displacement and glide surface you should be good to go. I have seen a guy with an F2 Phoenix, I think, doing standup off Delray at times. Grab any old paddle and give it a go. If you like the way it handles you can invest in a proper standup carbon or carbon/aluminum paddle and perhaps even a polyester purpose fabricated standup board.

Way to go the guys at Eckerd. You have vast surfing areas open to you there and some nice swells to play with too at times. Have fun and let us know how it is going.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=s...t=k&iwloc=addr

RickI 05-01-2007 09:58 AM

With the prospect of normal light summer winds looming at least in Florida and the Western Bahamas, who is thinking about getting into standup paddleboarding?

Polaris 05-02-2007 06:44 PM

I'd like to find out where to try a board in Miami or Key Largo area. It looks like fun.

RickI 05-02-2007 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polaris (Post 18803)
I'd like to find out where to try a board in Miami or Key Largo area. It looks like fun.

The Kiteshop may be able to arrange a demo. I think The Kitehouse Miami may get boards soon.

miamijose 05-03-2007 12:52 PM

I definitely want to get into this and buy a board soon, but it would be nice to demo different boards. I just went yesterday to island watersports and they have the Laird and Mickey Munoz for sale, both 12' boards, I'm only 130pounds so i'm hoping i don't need a board that big.

RickI 05-03-2007 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miamijose (Post 18833)
I definitely want to get into this and buy a board soon, but it would be nice to demo different boards. I just went yesterday to island watersports and they have the Laird and Mickey Munoz for sale, both 12' boards, I'm only 130pounds so i'm hoping i don't need a board that big.

I'm not an expert but it seems like lighter folks can get away with boards around 11 ft. and perhaps a bit narrower. Part of it involves the type of standup you want to do. Lacking lots of big waves in Miami most of the time, that removes opportunity for more intense surfing. I see where even heavier guys are going to boards as short as 9 ft. for paddling into larger waves. Where cruising and maintaining momentum are important in lighter conditions longer, wider and thicker help that the smaller sportier stuff. Perhaps you can demo some boards. I will try to put the word out and see if some demo sessions can be put together.

Gator Gris 03-29-2008 04:42 PM

First Impressions
 
Well now that I am a bonna fide back rolling kite surfer (I like the term kite surfer better than kiteboarder - but it really doesn't make a difference if you kite both flat water and waves?), I am addictied to the water and want to keep in shape through SUP when it is not windy.

HAS ANYONE TRIED KITING ON ONE OF THESE SUP BOARDS? Could you KS in 8 MPH wind on a small kite just because? I may try soon.

I searched brands and bought an 11' Oxbow and carbon paddle for $990 total. Jimmy Lewis seems about $400 more expensive when you bought your paddle. My board is light for such a big board.

I like the quality of my board. I have only used it five times and have not had the joy of riding a wave yet. I only catch flat morning water on the way to work on Anna Maria Island.

I freaking fall more than I would like to admit. Little waves can knock you off when you are new to it and not ready for them at a side angle. Anyway, I think I have decent surfing balance, but I will persevere. The SUP stance does need some getting used to.

So for the folks looking to get into it, beware it is not as cool as kite surfing or real surfing. You just have to take solace in knowing it is a good workout on the water!

Anyway, has anyone else had the same experience when they started SUP'ing?

G

RickI 03-30-2008 03:06 PM

The guys at the kitehouse have been playing around with standup boards in light winds with kites. More at:

http://fksa.org/showthread.php?t=5124

I've been playing with standup a little bit but favor going kiting or free diving depending on conditions at this point. Need to do it more often I think. Would love to work on wave riding more in some of the ground swells we get on occasion. The balance grows on your through time all though if it gets too rough I still find it fairly easy to get tossed off.

Galego 03-30-2008 06:03 PM

I've been using a 10' windsurfer with a carbon fiber paddle and strap on my waterproof ipod and cruise around the bay and up into the mangroves. its really relaxing and with the elevated point of view its possible to see all sorts of marine life. the calm water helped me get a feel for my balance and now I'm starting to go out in the gulf looking for some long and low waves. Chesapeake Light Craft has paddleboard and longboard kits that I'm looking into building but i wonder if they not suited for stand up paddling. any ideas?
http://www.clcboats.com/paddleboard.php
http://www.clcboats.com/boats/grains...s.php#waterlog

RickI 04-15-2008 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galego (Post 31261)
I've been using a 10' windsurfer with a carbon fiber paddle and strap on my waterproof ipod and cruise around the bay and up into the mangroves. its really relaxing and with the elevated point of view its possible to see all sorts of marine life. the calm water helped me get a feel for my balance and now I'm starting to go out in the gulf looking for some long and low waves. Chesapeake Light Craft has paddleboard and longboard kits that I'm looking into building but i wonder if they not suited for stand up paddling. any ideas?
http://www.clcboats.com/paddleboard.php
http://www.clcboats.com/boats/grains...s.php#waterlog

Glad you're getting out. I don't know this for a fact but suspect the CLC may lack sufficient transverse stability for standup. Why not give the folks a call and see what they say about it?

RickI 04-28-2009 02:09 PM

Another first, at least for Ft. Lauderdale. A rough three mile Standup chase into the Intracoastal Waterway starting and finishing at Coconuts by the Hall Of Fame. Nice turn out and good race. It is a part of the Hobie Standup Paddleboard Series organized by Liquid Surf & Sail, Tiki Beach and an army of volunteers. Lots more images to come but for now here's some ...


http://www.fksa.org/albums/album404/Course.sized.jpg
The start, finish off Coconuts and turning point in front of Lauderdale Yacht Club


http://www.fksa.org/albums/album404/..._1_s.sized.jpg
Lined up and ready to go!



http://www.fksa.org/albums/album404/3_IMG_9858.jpg
Paddling out hard from the start



http://www.fksa.org/albums/album404/30_G.jpg
Heading south in front of Bahia Mar, Pier 66 in the distance



http://www.fksa.org/albums/album404/38_G.jpg
Being in the lead is no picnic


http://www.fksa.org/albums/album404/44_G.jpg
But it can be scenic


A complete write up with more photos on the event to follow soon!


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