Replacement Lines for my Liquid Force 12m
 

What's up guys? Quick question.... I need replacement lines for my 12m. The only time I took it out I snapped a line. Thing is...I bought it used, so I'm not sure how stretched the lines already are and what not. I think it would be best to just replace them all before I take the kite out during my lessons. Just to be safe. Any websites? What size should I buy? Brands? thanks guys!!

Get ss firewire its the best lines you can buy. Also you are right if one line breaks you need to replace all four. The reason is all lines stretch and if you only replace one, your kite will be way out of tune. A set of four ss lines is $150. Best has lines for like 85 but they are verry stretchy and your kite will become out of tune verry quickly. Btw what kind of LF 12 do you have.

Good call, Shawn. Don't use line sets put together by Dr. Frankenstein. It's a waste of time and will give you headaches.

Spectrum II....supposed to be a good beginner kite. Where can I get those firewire lines?

Im pretty sure we have them at real.

I've heard good things about Q-line, but being new, you don't want to mess with that.

Firewire lines are great too. Watersports west usually has them in stock, although I don't know prices and it may just be easier/cheaper for you to ship them in from extreme or real.

Q-line (not pro) is the bomb. I've seen Q-Line line sets that are many years old or more instead of just one season... when you break a line you just cut them 6 inches shorter and re-tie the knots. Plus they make a cool howling sound which is great for keeping spectators away from them.

I will never go back to those cheap china lines that turn into a ball of ramen noodles when the wind blows them, and cut deep when you get tangled in them.

No doubt the regular Q-line is the best. Never tangles and I have never broken one.... but i've broken almost every set of firewire i've ever used.
btw... q line pro sucks... kinda like E-Bone ;0)~

I'm with Jayson on this one (Jayson winces in pain :x :P )
I use to just give my lines to Bayflite (remember) and put Qline on.

Firewire breaks, other stuff is tougher.
I use to use Q line for everything. Found something even stronger (Ozone lines -- 800 pounds baby!!)
Flexi has some awful strong stuff too.
Plus, is FW still all white?

Well guys...I ended up going with flexifoil lines. Should have them in a couple days.

CJ and SWS are also right about the pro line.. Q-Line pro sucks.

Q-Line is the bomb! How do they stay in business? One lineset lasts forever!

Believe it or not, I have NEVER broken a line (knock on wood) but ALL of my 4 line bars have Q line and all of my machine bars have SS FW.

I broke a line on my Best bar after only about 5 sessions. They are sending me a whole new set. We'll see how long they last.

Do the Q's stretch? How do I get a set of 27m's I have to SS bars and would like to put a set of the Q-lines on one of these bars.

You havent even been up and jumping through a winter season of riding yet! LOL! Lines typically break during or after a jump.

Back when I was first learning to jump I got a line break (two lines) on video. These were fairly new (less than a season) best 27M lines. It was my poor landing which caused the line break...(slack in the lines). Q-Line would not have broken.

http://retroboxes.myvnc.com/T_Stock.wmv

Tom, all I saw was the kite moving a little before the break and I didn't see you in the air at all. Are you sure that the lines broke following a jump? Did you just edit the jump out because it was a rough landing?

yes Q-Line stretches, all kite lines stretch. The only line I have ever broken, broke after I snapped a bar. I broke the bar on an f-16. It was an 06 ss bar. Terrible self rescue as I was a good distance from anywhere to get out.

thats a good time to grab your leash, which is attached to your fifth line and pull in about 3-5 feet and your lines probably wouldnt have snapped, thats what i use to do, you just have to be quick and carefull with the fingers

While you guys (and Donna) are riding in 15 to 20, ENE at SW, I am posting about kite line :roll: (great.... Oh well...)
Hopefully you guys are rippin' it. It is blowing 3 here.

Q-line is cool, but Daryl found a couple "packaged" lines that out-do Qline, tho. Both in rated strength, and especially ease of use. Spending an hour measuring q line lengths can get old. I just remembered, I still have two personal spools, Tom.

Gone are the days of choosing b/n crappy white pre pack line and Q as your two choices. If you are thinking about replacing old lines, Ozone makes really nicely sleeved and color coded line sets of various lengths (and 4 or 5 line) at a rated strength of 800 pounds! That surpasses Q by 33%.

Flexifoil also makes insane stuff. One cool set they have has 5m extensions "built in" for ease of going from 20 to 25m lengths in about 2 minutes, should you desire. Rated strength, 660, oops, beats Q again (600). That line set with extensions is on all stock bars with new Flexi kites. All Ozone kites have as stock the 800 color coded stuff.

Tom, I agree, if your lines have give, it feels like your kite is on a rubber band. It decreases the ability of your kite to yank you off the water while jumping and it can severely decrease the kite's response time to inputs.

Never was that more obvious than a long time ago when Travis D. and I both had the same Wipika 11.8 Airblast. His had Q line on the lbar, I had stock "white" line. I thought his kite was SO much better than mine, when we traded kites. I was confused.
We then proceeded to switch bars, so that his bar and lines was with my kite. Now MY kite was much better than his, and HIS sucked.
Interesting.
I bought Q the next day, and yep, my kite was behaving like a totally different animal.

I know lines are better now than 5 years ago, but the above lines are really good.

Geez, you guys are kiting and I am typing about lines, this bites!