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ricki
03-09-2009, 08:01 PM
This just in from Kent. Big happenings over in Bimini, the guys got the lionfish's number and want to punch it.

http://www.fksa.org/albums/album384/Lionfish_smash.jpg


The first lionfish I ever saw in the Atlantic was under two miles north of this spot on North Bimini almost two years ago (see below). It was followed by way too many more. No known natural predators in the Atlantic, as of yet uncertain impact on existing fish stocks, juvenile snapper and grouper, etc.. Lionfish are super common in the family islands now, wonder what is now less common as a result? Why not try to give the Atlantic waters back to native Atlantic species? Worth a try.



http://www.fksa.org/albums/album292/Lionfish_7_s.jpg
Volatins poaching way out of Pacific waters in a foreign sea, our Atlantic. Not good.

ricki
03-10-2009, 11:40 AM
Who has seen these in Florida?

Danimal8199
03-10-2009, 07:58 PM
I caught one with a little kids fishing net a few years ago in south beach. It was floating under some sea weed and they were gonna grab it, it was a baby...so yes i have seen one

kent
03-11-2009, 09:02 AM
I've done quite a bit of spearing in the Bahamas and had never really seen one until this year. Actually, unless you are really looking, you probably wouldn't see them because they are actually kind of hard to spot at first. My last trip over I saw at least 10-15 of them in around 50 feet of water. They were hanging around a great grouper spot and weren't really afraid of anything.

On a guess I'd bet that at least 300 of them will meet their end at the Bimini event. I understand that they will even have someone there showing how to prepare the tasty little critters for dinner.

I'm definitely going to this event just before the Nationals in Corpus Christi, TX. The nice thing is that I'll probably even get some kiting in as well. Should be fun.

ricki
03-11-2009, 10:23 AM
I caught one with a little kids fishing net a few years ago in south beach. It was floating under some sea weed and they were gonna grab it, it was a baby...so yes i have seen one

So it was a juvenile (about how long?) floating along beneath a mat of sargassum? With that as a means of distribution of the species, no wonder it has been found from Honduras, throughout the Bahamas, Turk & Caicos, Bermuda and up to Long Island, NY. Not good but pays to know. Didn't see any notes about that in the life cycle comments I found.


I've done quite a bit of spearing in the Bahamas and had never really seen one until this year. Actually, unless you are really looking, you probably wouldn't see them because they are actually kind of hard to spot at first. My last trip over I saw at least 10-15 of them in around 50 feet of water. They were hanging around a great grouper spot and weren't really afraid of anything.

On a guess I'd bet that at least 300 of them will meet their end at the Bimini event. I understand that they will even have someone there showing how to prepare the tasty little critters for dinner.

I'm definitely going to this event just before the Nationals in Corpus Christi, TX. The nice thing is that I'll probably even get some kiting in as well. Should be fun.

As a rule, they stay close to the bottom/rocks in the daytime preferring crevices and overhangs. Even if they're in the open, unless you focus on them in the distance they can be easy to miss. Up close they really stand out though. The ones I have seen in Bimini and in the Berry's were in about 10 ft. of water. Off Andros around Fresh Creek, around 50 ft. although I heard about a sighting of over a dozen in 10 or so feet of water around a derrick near the harbor. If there is cover, they may occur at shallower depths. Also, if you're looking for fish yourself, it is less likely in many areas you will be that shallow anyway. I understand they range out to about 250 ft. of water and can be common below 80 ft. in NE Florida. Haven't seen any on a reef in SE Florida yet, understand some have seen them here though.

I think your guess of a few hundred is in the ballpark. If guys tune into to where they are most likely found, they might even go past that point. Maybe tow around likely spots to scout prospects in advance. It is good the organizers are going to give tips on how to approach and deal with lionfish to avoid getting stung, nasty venom there.

More about the little buggers at:

http://coastalscience.noaa.gov/documents/lionfish_ia.pdf
http://fksa.org/showthread.php?p=39347#post39347
http://keysnews.com/node/11058

Some limited medical considerations:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/770764-overview
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/770764-treatment

Danimal8199
03-11-2009, 10:56 AM
It was only 3 or so inches a really little guy. I'm not sure what the potency of their venom is when they are that small, but if they are like snakes then it can still be very painful. Kids don't know any better either and they were trying to play with it. At that size I remember that the spines/frills were not very pronounced but none the less it really stood out and was 100% a lion fish.

ricki
04-06-2009, 09:24 AM
It was only 3 or so inches a really little guy. I'm not sure what the potency of their venom is when they are that small, but if they are like snakes then it can still be very painful. Kids don't know any better either and they were trying to play with it. At that size I remember that the spines/frills were not very pronounced but none the less it really stood out and was 100% a lion fish.


Interesting story, thanks for posting it. Yours is the first story I've heard about them hanging out in sargassum mats. Fry of numerous species are distributed all over in that fashion. Do they even have sargassum mats or equivalent in the Indo Pacific? Or has our boy Volatins adopted not only a new ocean but means of distribution in their invasion?

Anyone going to Bimini? Thinking about it myself.


http://www.fksa.org/albums/album392/G_Stirrup_Lionfish.jpg
This one was cruising along in about 15 ft. of water off Great Stirrup in the Berrys last year

kent
04-06-2009, 11:01 AM
I'm heading over if the sea conditions allow. Boy, if that little bugger is swimming that close to me on May 2nd, he'll be dancing on the end of my spear!

They actually have a chef coming over to teach us how to cook these guys. I guess that they taste pretty good. It's different from Blow fish for example in that the poison is only in the barbs and not actually in the fish.

May is a great time for the Bahamas, I can't wait.

ricki
04-06-2009, 12:10 PM
I'm heading over if the sea conditions allow. Boy, if that little bugger is swimming that close to me on May 2nd, he'll be dancing on the end of my spear!

They actually have a chef coming over to teach us how to cook these guys. I guess that they taste pretty good. It's different from Blow fish for example in that the poison is only in the barbs and not actually in the fish.

May is a great time for the Bahamas, I can't wait.

Sounds like a plan and hope the wx cooperates for your crossings. Yes, preparing blowfish can be a dodgy proposition. Slice a bit too deep or in the wrong area and instant toxin tainted fillets. As I recall, the symptoms victims exhibit helped a roving researcher doped out some of the active ingredients in "zombie powder" in Haiti. Not only did the cookers use blowfish venom but also strong alkaloids from toads. Hey, no toad licking here!

May have posted this before, it is pretty amusing and I usually avoid cooking shows like the plague. Still, it shows one means of culinary conquest of the Volatins.

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Somebody wrote lionfish taste like grouper?! Could be a whole new market. Hey Kent, they got zombie powder at Bimini Bay for guests? Bomba Shack has full moon mushroom tea, could start a fad.

ricki
06-03-2009, 01:17 PM
The contest was delayed due to weather ... too much wind, ha! We know what to with that right?! Anyway, it was held over Memorial Day and Kent fills us in on what went on complete with some great photos from the scene. Can you say "Volatins Sashimi?"

I actually only dove a short while as we were really looking for Tuna. We dive pretty close to the island when it's only the 2 of us as this area is rather dangerous due to strong currents and sharks.

I did see sharks on the South tip of the island and we decided to move. I bet that there are several wrecks around the area as large rocks poke through the surface in many unexpected places.

I'm sure that there are tons of Bulls and Tigers in the area. I even saw a special about Tigers and could clearly see the light house in the back ground. I did speak with one of the 3 groups that do shark dives in Bimini. He indicated that Tigers are really one of the best sharks to dive with as they are predictable and rather slow moving feeders. He commented on the fact that while Bimini has many, many Tigers, they have yet to find a location around Bimini where they can bring in Tigers with out the Bulls. He even does all of this Tiger shark dives off the coast of Grand Bahama as they can bring them in with out the Bull Sharks. Apparently Bulls are not at all predictable and can't be trusted to swim with.

We did get back over to Bimini last weekend for the Lion Fish Smash. The winning boat had 49 fish and a total of 75 were taken in a single day. Most were around the wrecks over the bank, but I found some very large fish under the ledges just South of Bimini. This area was very nice for spearing, but is very, very sharky. We were spread just a bit while drifting from West to East heading toward the bank. Paula stayed a bit behind with the boat while 3 others including myself drifted along with the current toward the bank. I looked up to urge Paula to head our way and saw the boat very near her. The driver said that Paula was over a large Hog and one of us should come back to get it. I was trying to swim back toward Paula, but the current was too strong so the boat quickly picked me up to run toward her. As we were about 20 yards from her she starts screaming that a shark was after her. She had no spears, etc. to fend it off and was on top of the water. As we neared her I could see the shark just next to her and i quickly plucked her from the water. I believe that this area is so heavily speared that they expect to eat when they see divers. This is a bad situation and I'd personally avoid swimming in this area if you are not familiar with how to properly react to "shark inquiries". I explained to Paula that if this happens in the future that she needs to keep her face in the water to keep an eye on the fish. It's generally best to make yourself very large and agressively swim toward the shark. This is usually enough to fend them off (reef sharks).

The more time I spend in the Bahamas, the more I like it. FYI, you can generally fly Bimini Island Air round trip for around $200 and find a place to stay for $100 per night (holds as many as you wish).

Here are a few pics from the Lion Fish Smash... FYI our boat only got 6, but we were really looking for dinner! I think we found it!!!

Enjoy...

The winning boat! 49 fish
http://images2d.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp53687%3Enu%3D3342%3E%3A%3A6%3E557%3E WSNRCG%3D32764%3A7657337nu0mrj

Noaa was on hand to study the fish
http://images2d.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp536%3B9%3Enu%3D3342%3E%3A%3A6%3E557% 3EWSNRCG%3D32764%3A54%3B6337nu0mrj

Careful cleaning... the meat is white and tasted great. i even had lion sushimi
http://images2c.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp536%3A%3B%3Enu%3D3342%3E%3A%3A6%3E55 7%3EWSNRCG%3D32764%3A85%3B%3B337nu0mrj

Bimini Sunset:
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs087.snc1/4616_113410501054_533786054_3177459_6976630_n.jpg

Small turtle
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs087.snc1/4616_113410511054_533786054_3177461_6274937_n.jpg

hunting in the clear water
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4616/154/119/533786054/n533786054_3177463_1676674.jpg

very large star fish on the bank
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs087.snc1/4616_113410496054_533786054_3177458_4596694_n.jpg

killer rainbow
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4616/154/119/533786054/n533786054_3177466_1943555.jpg

the catch
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs087.snc1/4616_113410546054_533786054_3177467_6101289_n.jpg

nice hog and mutton... kite shop miami promo too
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs087.snc1/4616_113410556054_533786054_3177469_8342265_n.jpg

ricki
07-09-2010, 10:44 AM
Understand from Kent this event is going off again in Bimini soon. He thinks the winning boat might nail as many as a 1000 this go round. Getting crowded with lionfish in other words.

Also, ASM is putting on a part in Miami to ramp up for the "Smash" this coming week on July 15, 2010. More details to come soon!

ps - I think it would be good to really promote the culinary side of lionfish, like hogfish only better, etc.. No better way to deal with overpopulation than to make something popular with shooters! If anything would take them down that likely would.

ricki
07-12-2010, 02:51 PM
http://www.southfloridafreedivers.com/images/2010_Lionfish.jpg

Back again for 2010, more lionfish to take, so let's have at it!!!

"ASM invites you to join us to the Bimini Lionfish Smash Kick Off Party!


The Lionfish Smash is ON!!!
July 17th, 2010

Are you ready for this MAJOR event?

Featuring The best Freedivers in South Florida, including
Harolf Dean, last year's LIONFISH Slay Master!!!!!

WORLD RECORD!!! South Florida Freedivers is poised to set the World Record for the most LIONFISH eradicated in one day!!!!"

http://lh3.ggpht.com/chPNNVciSjtvO5ox-Q1aL6tKYxriNVE5UIuhnaF15gOfu7_mVcZcO2XhP_IeZCn4Stl jON4GRQzXa193xeZcEh34wPv06XMO6RqVQUMxTA


Meet up at:
Adventure Sports Miami
2750 Southwest 26th Avenue, Coconut Grove, FL 33133
(305) 591-3559‎

On Thursday, July 15, 2010, 7 to 11 pm


"ONE NIGHT ONLY!!!
All Apparel 15% OFF!!!
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PLUS... FOOD, DRINK, AND LIVE MUSIC!!!

Bimini, Bahamas - On July 17, 2010 the South Florida Freedivers Club are hosting the second annual Lionfish Smash at Bimini Bay Resort and Marina with proceeds going to the Boys and Girls Club of Miami. This family event has an overall goal to bring awareness of the Lionfish invasion on the Bahamian reefs. The event was created in May 2009 to raise recognition with a sport (spear fishing) that can contribute to a positive ecological cause.

The Lionfish is an invasive and extremely venomous species of the Bahamian archipelago. It's a non-native fish that hails from the Indo-Pacific Region, affecting the biological diversity of Bahamian waters. The South Florida Freedivers Club hope to work in conjunction with the ongoing, long-term National Lionfish Response Project to assist in researching what determines the affects lionfish invasion. The format of the event focuses on the traditional Hawaiian Sling spearfishing and pole-spear method respecting local Bahamian spearfish laws. This is not a contest for the Nationals spearfishing tournaments and is not an Underwater Spearfishing Association (IUSA) sanctioned event.

"We are thrilled with the opportunity to host this family event again in 2010," said Danielle Dunfee Event Manager, Bimini Bay Resort and Marina, The Bahamas. "I'm personally excited to assist in this increasing awareness of the negative effects of the lionfish here in my second home (Bimini). By joining forces and working together we can combat this spread."

The South Florida Freedivers is a grassroots organization focused on bringing together people who utilize the ocean as their playground. Meetings are held every 2nd Thursday at 7:30 PM at Scotty's Landing in Coconut Grove - Miami, Florida. The purpose of these meetings is to put together a group of likeminded individuals who respect and honor the best of the sport; local fishing regulations and practices, selectivity and conservation, and above all diver safety."

2750 sw 26 ave, coral gables

ricki
07-14-2010, 05:50 AM
I have heard of lionfish being seen in several areas off Broward Country this week. How about putting on one of these competitions on in SE Florida this summer as well? Could do a series, Keys and right up the east coast. Waiting until next year could be a mistake. Lets talk about this at the party tomorrow night in Miami.

patrickrynne
07-16-2010, 02:07 PM
We had a great turnout for the Lionfish Smash kickoff party. Tons of photos at the Adventure Sports Miami facebook page @

www.thefacebook.com/adventuresportsmiami

ricki
07-19-2010, 09:06 PM
Thanks for posting the photo link Patrick. For folks that may not be on facebook or FB friends of ASM (but might now want to be), here are some of the images. I missed out on a great event trying to get ready to head over to the islands myself early the next day. Still more images at: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=192301&id=79211703193


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That's the party, NOW how about the event? Should be a great experience!

neptunesurfproducts
08-09-2010, 06:18 PM
I seen 3 of them on the 1st and 2nd reef of commercial almost got one in the hand just out side a hole with a bug in it!:???: This is a problem here now also, we need our own smash!

ricki
08-10-2010, 01:51 PM
Good point, they seem to be exploding in population right now off SE Florida. How about a local smash or why not a few of them?

I seen 3 of them on the 1st and 2nd reef of commercial almost got one in the hand just out side a hole with a bug in it!:???: This is a problem here now also, we need our own smash!