08 waroo advice...

[<jason]

Alright here we go...

This weekend looks nuclear...accuweather (yes its still early for a forecast)
says almost 40mph thats like 36kts...
If its that crazy i will go, but probably just to watch...

So here is my question if its peaking at +or- 30kts im going... the only kite I have worth flying is my 13roo... so I will set it to AC and probably the last knot on the rear bridle....... what do u think? I weight approx 215lbs

[BigR]

I HIGHLY DOUBT IT WILL BE ANYWHERE EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT

caps where on

oooops

lucky to be on 13m's I think

see this yet???

TAMPA BAY WATERS-
352 PM EST TUE MAR 4 2008

...SMALL CRAFT EXERCISE CAUTION IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 PM EST THIS
EVENING...

TONIGHT
NORTHWEST WINDS 15 KNOTS AND GUSTY IN THE EVENING...THEN
AROUND 10 TO 15 KNOTS. BAY WAVES 2 FEET. BAY AND INLAND WATERS A
MODERATE CHOP. CHANCE OF RAIN SHOWERS AND SLIGHT CHANCE OF
THUNDERSTORMS IN THE EVENING...THEN SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AFTER
MIDNIGHT.

WEDNESDAY
NORTHWEST WINDS 5 TO 10 KNOTS. BAY WAVES LESS THAN
2 FEET. BAY AND INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP.

WEDNESDAY NIGHT
WIND VARIABLE LESS THAN 5 KNOTS BECOMING NORTH
5 KNOTS AFTER MIDNIGHT. BAY WAVES LESS THAN 1 FOOT BUILDING TO
LESS THAN 2 FEET AFTER MIDNIGHT. BAY AND INLAND WATERS A LIGHT
CHOP.

THURSDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 5 KNOTS. BAY WAVES LESS THAN 2 FEET
SUBSIDING TO LESS THAN 1 FOOT IN THE AFTERNOON. BAY AND INLAND
WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS.

THURSDAY NIGHT
NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 5 KNOTS BECOMING SOUTHEAST IN
THE LATE EVENING AND OVERNIGHT. BAY WAVES 2 FEET. BAY AND INLAND
WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND SLIGHT CHANCE OF
THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY
WEST WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS. BAY WAVES 2 FEET. BAY AND
INLAND WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND SLIGHT
CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY NIGHT
NORTHWEST WINDS AROUND 15 KNOTS. BAY WAVES 2 FEET. BAY
AND INLAND WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. CHANCE OF SHOWERS IN THE
EVENING.

SATURDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 15 KNOTS. BAY WAVES 2 FEET. BAY AND
INLAND WATERS CHOPPY.

SUNDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS. BAY WAVES LESS THAN 2 FEET.
BAY AND INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP.

GMZ853-856-873-876-050600-
/O.EXT.KTBW.SC.Y.0014.000000T0000Z-080305T0300Z/
ENGLEWOOD TO TARPON SPRINGS OUT 20 NM-
BONITA BEACH TO ENGLEWOOD OUT 20 NM-
ENGLEWOOD TO TARPON SPRINGS OUT 20 TO 60 NM-
BONITA BEACH TO ENGLEWOOD OUT 20 TO 60 NM-
352 PM EST TUE MAR 4 2008

...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 PM EST THIS
EVENING...

TONIGHT
NORTHWEST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS..BECOMING 15 TO 20
KNOTS LATE. SEAS 3 TO 5 FEET. BAY AND INLAND WATERS CHOPPY. CHANCE OF
SHOWERS AND SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS THROUGH THE NIGHT.

WEDNESDAY
NORTHWEST WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET. BAY AND
INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS IN THE
AFTERNOON.

WEDNESDAY NIGHT
NORTH WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. BAY
AND INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS.

THURSDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 FEET. BAY AND INLAND
WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. CHANCE OF SHOWERS THROUGH THE DAY.
SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON.

THURSDAY NIGHT
SOUTH WINDS AROUND 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET. BAY AND
INLAND WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND SLIGHT
CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY
SOUTHWEST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS BECOMING NORTHWEST 10 TO
15 KNOTS LATE IN THE AFTERNOON. SEAS 3 TO 5 FEET. BAY AND INLAND
WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND SLIGHT CHANCE OF
THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY NIGHT
NORTH WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. SEAS 4 TO 6 FEET. BAY AND
INLAND WATERS CHOPPY. CHANCE OF SHOWERS THROUGH THE NIGHT.

SATURDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. SEAS 4 TO 6 FEET. BAY AND
INLAND WATERS CHOPPY.

SUNDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET. BAY
AND INLAND WATERS A MODERATE CHOP.

GMZ850-870-050600-
/O.EXT.KTBW.SC.Y.0014.000000T0000Z-080305T0300Z/
TARPON SPRINGS TO SUWANNEE RIVER OUT 20 NM-
TARPON SPRINGS TO SUWANNEE RIVER OUT 20 TO 60 NM-
352 PM EST TUE MAR 4 2008

...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 PM EST THIS
EVENING...

TONIGHT
NORTHWEST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS...BECOMING 15 TO 20
KNOTS LATE. SEAS 4 TO 6 FEET. BAY AND INLAND WATERS CHOPPY.
CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS IN THE
EVENING.

WEDNESDAY
NORTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET.
BAY AND INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP.

WEDNESDAY NIGHT
NORTH WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. BAY
AND INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP.

THURSDAY
EAST WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 FEET. BAY AND INLAND
WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS.

THURSDAY NIGHT
SOUTHEAST WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. BAY
AND INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND SLIGHT
CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY
NORTHWEST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET BUILDING TO
3 TO 5 FEET IN THE AFTERNOON. BAY AND INLAND WATERS CHOPPY.
CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY NIGHT
NORTHWEST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. SEAS 4 TO 6 FEET. BAY
AND INLAND WATERS CHOPPY. CHANCE OF SHOWERS IN THE EVENING.

SATURDAY
NORTH WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. SEAS 4 TO 6 FEET. BAY AND
INLAND WATERS CHOPPY.

SUNDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET. BAY
AND INLAND WATERS A MODERATE CHOP.

[inferno]

Alright here we go...

This weekend looks nuclear...accuweather (yes its still early for a forecast)
says almost 40mph thats like 36kts...
If its that crazy i will go, but probably just to watch...

So here is my question if its peaking at +or- 30kts im going... the only kite I have worth flying is my 13roo... so I will set it to AC and probably the last knot on the rear bridle....... what do u think? I weight approx 215lbs

if it was an 07, id say maybe, but i wouldnt even think of launching an 08 13m in solid 30..... and im 205lbs and love riding litt.....

the 08's dont have as much depower as the older versions....

in solid 30 i can ride a 5m waroo and hit jumps...
jsut my 2 cents

[<jason]

What gives?

thats quite a different forecast from accuweather...:confused:
Id figure all weather sites would be a little different but thats ridiculous..
what... do we all have to become meteorologists and do our own forecasting...

Oh well the 13 might even be too small for that.......
Thanks Raul...:)

[kite-4-life]

If its nukin' I have a new 9m Unleashed for demo .The logos are gone and color scheme is all black with orange stripe(sweet). Its very fast,flat, and high AR. I also have 12 Unleashed and 10,12,and 15 Vicious kites and Tracker boards (128x37 and 140x40) for test rides anytime.
http://freakdogkites.com/

[Tom Stock]

35 is the (scary) top end on my 9m waroo (2008) if that gives you some idea.

I weigh 190.

But, I think your 13 will be fine if it's blowing a solid 15+. In that I am on my 9m.

[<jason]

I had my 08 13m up in 20-25kts...
I was screaming down the line...but it was set to ab and the 3rd knot from the kite on the rear bridle...

This is probably not a good judgement decision but damn ive missed a lot of wind cause of this stingray crap...

Well it looks ( from bigR's post ) that it wont be that windy anyway, so I wont have to do anything stupid...

[Skyway Scott]

The 13m in 30+ would be a definite problem. The 9m would be a problem for most unless just bearing off wind and hauling butt.

It's still several days away and should be considered entertainment, but accuweather usually has the best forecast, imo.
If they are saying gusts to 40, it's probably going to be windy at some point. :)
It looks like Friday is going to be simply epic. :D Considering the strength of the predicted south on Friday, it won't surprise me if it cranks on Saturday for at least the first half of the day. If it does, just wait til the second half to ride, Jason.

http://www.scottfears.com/wind.jpg

[bryanleighty]

The rear line a-b-c knots are simply for turning speed adjustments..
the only knots on your kite that adjust power are the rear line connection points.. yes the farther from the kite the more depower.. but......

you have to understand that the difference between 10mph and 20mph is VERY different than 20mph and 30mph.. there is some calculations that some others might know..but its something to the effect of "every 5 mph is essentially doubling the wind force".. I could be WAY off.. but its not like you can say.. "its blowing 20 now.. and when it blows 10 i can barely feel it .. so 20 + 10 = something i can take my 13m kite out in.."..
its a very common misconception and something that I had to experience myself to understand.. 30mph is 4 times as strong as 20mph (i think thats correct..)

you can barely stand up against a solid 30 wind.. its boarder line tropical storm conditions..

i weigh 200lbs and last week flying the 13 in gusts up to low 20 and it was nearly too much..and i consider myself a skilled rider.. if the wind had been solid 18 to 20 i would have been perfect on my 9.. that it was blowing 12 to 20 i had to use the 13 to ride in the lulls..

be safe..

i'd recommend picking up a 8 to 10 meter kite.. you will use it..

[Skyway Scott]

It's a power of squares scenario.
You basically square the wind speeds in question and then compare them (divide).
Detailed formulas can be found for wind turbines or sailing vessels in racing books.

When you double wind speed, you quadruple the power (10 to 20 is 100 compared to 400 when squared).
30 knots has 2.25 times the power in the kite that 20 knots puts in the kite.

Going from 30 to 35 increases the power by about 35%.

The adding 5 knots and doubling force only works in low wind speeds. Actually, from 5 to 10 it would quadruple force.

[inferno]

The adding 5 knots and doubling force only works in low wind speeds. Actually, from 5 to 10 it would quadruple force.

so those guys who say they can hit small jumps in solid 7 must be going huge in 10:mrgreen:

wow scott, your doing a lot of posting lately ;)

[Skyway Scott]

Yeah. I love those guys claiming the impossible. It's why my "no one going upwind in 5 knots" bet will never be lost and why I knew mathematically that Best was totally full of crap with their Hellfish claims. (jumping and riding powered in 6 knots... yeah... right, with 1/3 the power in 10 knots... dream on) :confused: :rolleyes:
Last post for the week.

[inferno]

Last post for the week.

that's a long ways away....

[<jason]

Here is the thing tho...
In sub 15kts I cannot even get on a plane with my board, in 15 solid I cannot stay upwind, I need high teens just to stay upwind...
Now, I know my board is killing me
but I refuse to accept that the useable range of my gear together is high teens to 20(kts)

Also the reason i was going to set it to AC was for greater control in high winds...per the manual

[BigR]

Now, I know my board is killing me
but I refuse to accept that the useable range of my gear together is high teens to 20(kts)


Believe it, try using even just a basic surfboard if you can't afford a quality lightwind board. The board makes a gigantic difference

[Tom Stock]

Stayed upwind on my 9'6 longboard in 8 knots on a 9m kite just the other day.

Hey it was better than nothing.

[Skyway Scott]

The combined range of your gear is limited 'cuz that board is killing you. Believe it... haven't we already gone over this?
Do you know how much horse power it would take to get a crappy hull (covered in barnacles) out of the water on to a plane and stay on plane? A ton. Same thing with a little board. It takes a ton of juice just to keep it on plane. A larger board is night/day.
Takes hardly any juice, especially once you are up and going.

I only use one kite these days (a 9m).
I can ride it from solid 8 knots to almost 30, by just switching boards.
That's no exaggeration, plenty of guys see this all the time.

Yes I weigh less than you, but your board is far more important than your kite, as evidenced by Tom and I riding in sub 10 on 9m kites the other night.

[<jason]

What size boards do you bigger guys ride?
I demoed a CF 145x49 board was awesome but felt clunky during jibes...well for my skill level anyway...
Steve S is gonna let me demo a new FD 140x40 but its only 2cm wider than my board... Though may be enough...?
I made a wooden board the other week 140x50 around there somewhere havent used it yet though...

[inferno]

im 205lbs and i ride a FF 135x40, it doesnt sound big, but due to its outline concave and rocker (all of these factor into the lowend of a board, not just the size) its basicall a one board quiver for me, i also have a CF 145x48, an awsome board, but i never ride it anymore due to the lowend of my flexi...
i can ride in solid 10-11 on my 15m waroo

and yes 2cm on the width of a board will make a big difference.....

[<jason]

Maybe that freakdog board will work out...
tks guys....

ps. If u dont know by now I ask a lot of questions....:rolleyes:

[Skyway Scott]

LMAO.....

Friday
South winds 20 to 25 knots. Seas 4 to 6 feet. Bay and inland waters choppy. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Friday Night
West winds around 20 knots. Seas 5 to 7 feet. Bay and inland waters choppy. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Saturday
Northwest winds 20 to 25 knots with gusts to around 35 knots. Seas 5 to 7 feet. Bay and inland waters rough. Slight chance of showers in the morning.

Looks like Donna will be on the 7 'roo on Friday and I will be on it Saturday.
For some reason, I don't think you will be praying for MORE wind, Jason.

[inferno]

LMAO.....

Friday
South winds 20 to 25 knots. Seas 4 to 6 feet. Bay and inland waters choppy. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Friday Night
West winds around 20 knots. Seas 5 to 7 feet. Bay and inland waters choppy. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Saturday
Northwest winds 20 to 25 knots with gusts to around 35 knots. Seas 5 to 7 feet. Bay and inland waters rough. Slight chance of showers in the morning.

Looks like Donna will be on the 7 'roo on Friday and I will be on it Saturday.
For some reason, I don't think you will be praying for MORE wind, Jason.

scott, please get help :rolleyes:

[bryanleighty]

gotta burn a vacation day before next years refresh.. looks like Friday is perfect day to do it!

EB baby!

should be a blast!